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Looks like our Roadrunner friends have a problem

UFL official hears UTSA's concerns
By Tom Orsborn - Express-News Web Posted: 03/16/2010 12:00 CDT
UTSA athletic director Lynn Hickey on Monday told a United Football League official she's concerned expansion to San Antonio could hinder the Roadrunners' efforts to attract fans and sponsors for their fledgling football program.
Hickey described her hour-long meeting with UFL senior vice president Bill Peterson as a session “to learn about each other,” but she also made it clear to him she's troubled by the league's interest in San Antonio.

UTSA is set to begin play in 2011 at the Alamodome, a venue the UFL also hopes to call home. The UFL already shares stadiums with Sacramento State, UNLV and Connecticut and has a team in Orlando, Fla., home of Central Florida.

“Because we are a start-up program and don't have a fan base and sponsorships built up, I have concerns their timing of (possibly) coming here the year before we start could be another obstacle we'd have to work through,” Hickey said. “The other (schools) they've worked with have had programs for quite some time.”

Peterson declined comment.

Hickey also cast a wary eye at UFL talk of a marketing partnership.

“We did talk about looking at what NCAA rules allow us to do or not to do with a professional organization,” Hickey said. “My first take on it is we can't (partner with a pro team).”

One of UTSA's strongest allies, County Judge Nelson Wolff, is fearful the UFL would divert attention from the Roadrunners. He also said he thinks the UFL will fail.

“As community leaders, our primary responsibility when it comes to football is to rally around UTSA and make sure it has a good, strong program,” Wolff said last week.

At least two City Council members agreed.

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Looks like our Roadrunner friends have a problem

UFL official hears UTSA's concerns
By Tom Orsborn - Express-News Web Posted: 03/16/2010 12:00 CDT
UTSA athletic director Lynn Hickey on Monday told a United Football League official she's concerned expansion to San Antonio could hinder the Roadrunners' efforts to attract fans and sponsors for their fledgling football program.
Hickey described her hour-long meeting with UFL senior vice president Bill Peterson as a session “to learn about each other,” but she also made it clear to him she's troubled by the league's interest in San Antonio.

UTSA is set to begin play in 2011 at the Alamodome, a venue the UFL also hopes to call home. The UFL already shares stadiums with Sacramento State, UNLV and Connecticut and has a team in Orlando, Fla., home of Central Florida.

“Because we are a start-up program and don't have a fan base and sponsorships built up, I have concerns their timing of (possibly) coming here the year before we start could be another obstacle we'd have to work through,” Hickey said. “The other (schools) they've worked with have had programs for quite some time.”

Peterson declined comment.

Hickey also cast a wary eye at UFL talk of a marketing partnership.

“We did talk about looking at what NCAA rules allow us to do or not to do with a professional organization,” Hickey said. “My first take on it is we can't (partner with a pro team).”

One of UTSA's strongest allies, County Judge Nelson Wolff, is fearful the UFL would divert attention from the Roadrunners. He also said he thinks the UFL will fail.

“As community leaders, our primary responsibility when it comes to football is to rally around UTSA and make sure it has a good, strong program,” Wolff said last week.

At least two City Council members agreed.


Man, I'm glad I don't live there because I'd be furious. If someone is actually offering to pay to use a public facility in this day and age, you f_cking let them. Especially when San Antonio is letting a public school use their dome for free for five years.

Cockblocking the UFL for the baby Runner football program is a huge example of not having the public's interest as your primary concern. That is just f_cked up.

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Back to the San Antonio Phenomenon-If it's in SA we'll find a way to screw it up.

Alamodome-Built to small, lacking real facilities and over a contaminated waste site
ATT Center-Built in the ghetto, no where near the riverwalk, how's that east side revitalization going?

Seems every month utsa has a new problem with this program in the news. :D


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Can we move this to the "couldn't care less" other college sports section??? (Since UTSA wants to be independent, it doesn't qualify for the SLC board).


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The article is dated from March. The city did ultimately offer them use of the Alamodome on a one year contract, the UFL did not accept. They have not ruled out SA for future expansion, just not this year. This is a league that incurred heavy losses its first year and is not guranteed of making it through a second. The initial reaction that this might affect UTSA was a bit overblown and ultimately not an issue, but it does show the commitment the city has to helping UTSA football succeed. Lets face it, UTSA is at the minimum a 7-8 year FIRM tenant for the alamodome, and if the contracts hold will bring in thousands of visiting fans to stay in downtown hotels and spend money. They are the better option at this point. The UFL doesnt have alot of national sponsors, its only got 6 teams. They would have been competing with UTSA for local corporate support and the city has decided to bet on UTSA at this point versus UFL.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/City ... h_UFL.html

And yes UTSA does have a 5 year rent free agreement to use the dome, however the city is getting atleast half of the alcohol/concession/parking revenues. It should be noted that the Dallas Cowboys also get free use of the dome...If you are going to let a for profit franchise use the facility why would you not allow your largest local university to do so???


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The article is dated from March. The city did ultimately offer them use of the Alamodome on a one year contract, the UFL did not accept. They have not ruled out SA for future expansion, just not this year. This is a league that incurred heavy losses its first year and is not guranteed of making it through a second. The initial reaction that this might affect UTSA was a bit overblown and ultimately not an issue, but it does show the commitment the city has to helping UTSA football succeed. Lets face it, UTSA is at the minimum a 7-8 year FIRM tenant for the alamodome, and if the contracts hold will bring in thousands of visiting fans to stay in downtown hotels and spend money. They are the better option at this point. The UFL doesnt have alot of national sponsors, its only got 6 teams. They would have been competing with UTSA for local corporate support and the city has decided to bet on UTSA at this point versus UFL.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/City ... h_UFL.html

And yes UTSA does have a 5 year rent free agreement to use the dome, however the city is getting atleast half of the alcohol/concession/parking revenues. It should be noted that the Dallas Cowboys also get free use of the dome...If you are going to let a for profit franchise use the facility why would you not allow your largest local university to do so???


Because the Cowboys generate crowds of 80k-100k that translates into concession/alcohol/etc sales and UTSA will ultimatley generate 15-20k stabilized IMO.


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The article is dated from March. The city did ultimately offer them use of the Alamodome on a one year contract, the UFL did not accept. They have not ruled out SA for future expansion, just not this year. This is a league that incurred heavy losses its first year and is not guranteed of making it through a second. The initial reaction that this might affect UTSA was a bit overblown and ultimately not an issue, but it does show the commitment the city has to helping UTSA football succeed. Lets face it, UTSA is at the minimum a 7-8 year FIRM tenant for the alamodome, and if the contracts hold will bring in thousands of visiting fans to stay in downtown hotels and spend money. They are the better option at this point. The UFL doesnt have alot of national sponsors, its only got 6 teams. They would have been competing with UTSA for local corporate support and the city has decided to bet on UTSA at this point versus UFL.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/City ... h_UFL.html

And yes UTSA does have a 5 year rent free agreement to use the dome, however the city is getting atleast half of the alcohol/concession/parking revenues. It should be noted that the Dallas Cowboys also get free use of the dome...If you are going to let a for profit franchise use the facility why would you not allow your largest local university to do so???


Because the Cowboys generate crowds of 80k-100k that translates into concession/alcohol/etc sales and UTSA will ultimatley generate 15-20k stabilized IMO.


Uhm.... 15-20k over a season is right there with the Cowboys one game....
Besides, 30k is probably going to be much closer to the average (at a minimum) once UTSA goes FBS.


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The article is dated from March. The city did ultimately offer them use of the Alamodome on a one year contract, the UFL did not accept. They have not ruled out SA for future expansion, just not this year. This is a league that incurred heavy losses its first year and is not guranteed of making it through a second. The initial reaction that this might affect UTSA was a bit overblown and ultimately not an issue, but it does show the commitment the city has to helping UTSA football succeed. Lets face it, UTSA is at the minimum a 7-8 year FIRM tenant for the alamodome, and if the contracts hold will bring in thousands of visiting fans to stay in downtown hotels and spend money. They are the better option at this point. The UFL doesnt have alot of national sponsors, its only got 6 teams. They would have been competing with UTSA for local corporate support and the city has decided to bet on UTSA at this point versus UFL.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/City ... h_UFL.html

And yes UTSA does have a 5 year rent free agreement to use the dome, however the city is getting atleast half of the alcohol/concession/parking revenues. It should be noted that the Dallas Cowboys also get free use of the dome...If you are going to let a for profit franchise use the facility why would you not allow your largest local university to do so???


The Cowboys, the UFL, and the UTSA football program are three entirely different things to consider. The Cowboys drew what, 25K for practice? Why turn that away?

I never said anything about not letting UTSA use it for free. Someone wants to pay to use the facility, so you should allow the paying entity to use it to offset the costs of the nonpaying one. Who cares if it's just for one year?

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Why is this article even posted on this board? Its from March and the story has already played out...Cat79, get the memo that David Bailiff went to Rice? :lol:

Pure hatred for the Roadrunners from some... :wink:

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Why is this article even posted on this board? Its from March and the story has already played out...Cat79, get the memo that David Bailiff went to Rice? :lol:

Pure hatred for the Roadrunners from some... :wink:


TT, it hasn't completely passed... UFL is still interested in San Antonio...


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Its UTSA...the school is a joke. I heard they are improving from their 99% acceptence rate...to 98%!


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Its UTSA...the school is a joke. I heard they are improving from their 99% acceptence rate...to 98%!




All you UTSA haters you need help bad! Its time to go on Dr. Phil. Man why so much hate??? Are you that afraid of UTSA? Just let it go!!


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Its UTSA...the school is a joke. I heard they are improving from their 99% acceptence rate...to 98%!




All you UTSA haters you need help bad! Its time to go on Dr. Phil. Man why so much hate??? Are you that afraid of UTSA? Just let it go!!


I agree, we need to stop focusing on UTSA so much on this board...makes us look worse than it does them. Also, most of the UTSA posters on this board are not that bad and I like having posters from other schools around.


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Yes, this story did come and go. It became a decent size story for a few months.

If anything, I think that the cities statements and the county statements spoke well about UTSA, actually. There were a lot of quotes about UTSA Football being the number one priority from city and county politicians. I would say this is a good thing for UTSA....

Of course I have a bias.

It is hard to argue against strong arming a paying tenant to an empty city building. The city kind of screwed the UFL on renting the building, but I am not complaining. One could say that is irresponsible towards city tax payers.

There was no doubt that UTSA was against having football competition in the city. Lynn Hickey and Larry Coker made that clear in the paper and on the sports radio shows.


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I agree, we need to stop focusing on UTSA so much on this board...makes us look worse than it does them. Also, most of the UTSA posters on this board are not that bad and I like having posters from other schools around.


Can't fault the Bobcats...

They're continuing to fall in line with that school on I-10 in Lafayette, La. that they have emulated over the years...

Yep, TXST is the new UL(L)...no one is sure what the school's name is. Southwest Texas State? Texas State? TSU? Texas State San Marcos? University of Louisiana? UL? ULL? Lafayette?

And of course, too concerned with another school in the state whether it UTSA (or in some cases UNT) or La Tech (or in some cases, ULM)...

It'll be even more the case if UTSA does what La Tech does and gets a step 'ahead' in the conference game...

Okay...back to your regularly scheduled "TXST-UTSA" smack!

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