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The Primary Missing Element ?
Adminstration Support & Vision 40%  40%  [ 8 ]
Athletic Department Support & Vision 25%  25%  [ 5 ]
Coaching & Recruiting 15%  15%  [ 3 ]
Academic Standards Disadvantage 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Student Support 10%  10%  [ 2 ]
Alumni Support 10%  10%  [ 2 ]
Mostly Bad Luck 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
No Missing Element 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
OTHER 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Total votes : 20

 What does it take ?----Poll 
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So...Appy State wins third national title in a row....Congrats to them !

Cats compared to Mountaineers past 4 seasons

2004- Cats play @ Appy down 34-27 with 7 minutes left...Appy wins 41-34. Appy goes 6-5 on the year; the Cats 5-6

2005- Cats go 11-3 make to semi finals
2005 Mountaineers go 12-3 win national title

2006 - Cats go 5-6
2006 - Mountaineers go 14-1 win national title

2007 Cats go 4-7
Mountaineers go 13-2 win national title


Personal opinion, generally the most effective pressure point is applied by & sustained at the top & works itself throughout a system over time, regardless if sports, business etc. Hopefully, the go ahead to explore moving up from FCS is the "crucible" to melt all these elements into the mold needed, resulting ultimately in sustainable success, regardless of the sub-division etc.

Notwithstanding, an university sports program that I believe has certainly as a whole been successful over the years, regarding football, specifically, having essentially 2 plus decades of mediocrity implies some missing element(s); at least in football.


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1/3 Administrative Support & Vision
1/3 Student Support
1/3 Alumni Support

It also wouldn't hurt to win. All that is needed to build a program is wins.


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plus they have armanti edwards. think if we had a healthy nealy for 4 years.


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Without a doubt, the fact that Trauth and Co. are not enthusiastically visionary about athletics is the primary reason that we have stagnated and Appy has thrived.

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One reason I don't generally post polls; I'm computer / typing skill set challenged....INTEL founded the year I started college......

Meant to say Alumni Support not Alumni Sport...........
Good Luck not Bad Luck......

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it's way too easy to blame teis and trauth. appy state has been a good I-AA program for a lot longer than just the last three years. we've been a poor-to-mediocre program for far longer than teis and trauth have been at the helm. sam and sfa have had the occasional good year interspersed with far more poor-to-mediocre years. all three of us are in a state with 10 I-A football programs, including two of the country's biggest: texas and a&m. building a football program surrounded by those giants isn't easy -- they suck up a lot of the media coverage, the money and the talent. and what they don't suck up, the other I-A schools do. none of this is to say we can't be successful despite all of that, but yet another president and another athletic director (on top of the others we've had for more than two decades) aren't necessarily going to change things.


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LOL, where do you start with a loaded question like this one?

1.) It takes leadership and CONSTANT pressure on every entity that you are demanding success from. Otherwise you come up with what I will call the "Teis Doctrine." Good luck with that in a place as tainted and jaded as San Marcos.

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Definition: Teis Doctrine - A coach regularly performing within the top 3 programs within conference and who is not at the end of their contract is guaranteed a job for the next year.

(Of course, this doctrine is completely ridiculous. Set the bar 3 feet high, you will only have people jumping 3 feet high, no further. Intentional or not. The leadership at Texas State enables what people here call "mediocrity" by clearly stating the rules of employment by the Teis Doctrine.)



2.) In no particular order compared to the first... it takes alumni that won't roll over at the drop of a hat after some whiff of supposed success or progress toward success... not calling flat out failure as "mediocrity" and mediocrity being called a "success." Again, good luck with making that happen in San Marcos.

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3.) If you want professional results, you have to pay people like they are professionals. This is UNIVERSALLY true of The University. If you want a REAL alumni association, fundraising arm (athletics and academics), leadership, football/basketball program, etc. You HAVE to pay for it. It's that fundamental. The University refuses to pay, time and time again, you see the results. At the same time, you can't pay if you are chasing off more people than you are bringing in (which the leadership in the alumni association and AD have done in RECORD NUMBERS). Don't bitch about not having the money if you are the one chasing people off. It's your job, fix it. If you don't like that, you were in the wrong business to start with. Let someone who wants to try, have a try at it and quit being a barrier to their success in doing so.


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It's Easy to Blame Admin but to be honest if we had half as active an Alumni base as UT or A&M would our Admin even be here?? Until we get a strong, Pro Active Alumni Base we will continue to suffer under these type of administrations.

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It's Easy to Blame Admin but to be honest if we had half as active an Alumni base as UT or A&M would our Admin even be here?? Until we get a strong, Pro Active Alumni Base we will continue to suffer under these type of administrations.


That's patently absurd: It's the alumni's fault?

Try this on for size: If the admin were competent, they would be working to get/keep alumni in the fold. Instead, they live by the standard "eh, they wanted to leave anyway."

People WANT to be invested in their University. It is up to the admin to show them the benefits.

For an example: Let's look at the alumni association's page that describes the different benefit levels:

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I think that page speaks VOLUMES on the effort the Administration makes to make sure people stay in the fold.

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Mad_Cat wrote:
It's Easy to Blame Admin but to be honest if we had half as active an Alumni base as UT or A&M would our Admin even be here?? Until we get a strong, Pro Active Alumni Base we will continue to suffer under these type of administrations.


That's patently absurd: It's the alumni's fault?

Try this on for size: If the admin were competent, they would be working to get/keep alumni in the fold. Instead, they live by the standard "eh, they wanted to leave anyway."


Yes. "Let's part as friends" is not a great way to get people excited about supporting their Alma Mater.

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Mad_Cat wrote:
It's Easy to Blame Admin but to be honest if we had half as active an Alumni base as UT or A&M would our Admin even be here?? Until we get a strong, Pro Active Alumni Base we will continue to suffer under these type of administrations.


That's patently absurd: It's the alumni's fault?

Try this on for size: If the admin were competent, they would be working to get/keep alumni in the fold. Instead, they live by the standard "eh, they wanted to leave anyway."

People WANT to be invested in their University. It is up to the admin to show them the benefits.

For an example: Let's look at the alumni association's page that describes the different benefit levels:

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I think that page speaks VOLUMES on the effort the Administration makes to make sure people stay in the fold.


I agree with both of you. It's very catch 22.

If we had a strong alumni base we would run the show like many other institutions.

If we had a more proactive administration the university would build a stronger alumni base.

The administration gets paid either way so the alumni are the ones who lose here.

Strong alumni base changes everything. The admin will not do that for us so it is up to us alumni to unite and forge together. Without that things will never change. This is on our shoulders.

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Rick wrote:
TheRevSWT wrote:
Mad_Cat wrote:
It's Easy to Blame Admin but to be honest if we had half as active an Alumni base as UT or A&M would our Admin even be here?? Until we get a strong, Pro Active Alumni Base we will continue to suffer under these type of administrations.


That's patently absurd: It's the alumni's fault?

Try this on for size: If the admin were competent, they would be working to get/keep alumni in the fold. Instead, they live by the standard "eh, they wanted to leave anyway."

People WANT to be invested in their University. It is up to the admin to show them the benefits.

For an example: Let's look at the alumni association's page that describes the different benefit levels:

LINK

I think that page speaks VOLUMES on the effort the Administration makes to make sure people stay in the fold.


I agree with both of you. It's very catch 22.

If we had a strong alumni base we would run the show like many other institutions.

If we had a more proactive administration the university would build a stronger alumni base.

The administration gets paid either way so the alumni are the ones who lose here.

Strong alumni base changes everything. The admin will not do that for us so it is up to us alumni to unite and forge together. Without that things will never change. This is on our shoulders.

No excuses, Play like a Champion.


Exactly

Alumni from major programs don't sit back and wait for their AD's to act. A&M is a prime example. They pooled funds to buy out Frans Contract. Our Alumni are accustomed to sitting back and waiting for our AD to act. Then playing the blame game when things don't work out. We need our Alumni to continue to pull together if we want our athletics to become the best it can. For example what is stpping us Alumni from pulling together to raise our own money for the Baseball Complex. Yea it's the AD's job but if we want this stadium as bad as we say we do, why not act on our own and help make it happen!!

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Mad_Cat wrote:
It's Easy to Blame Admin but to be honest if we had half as active an Alumni base as UT or A&M would our Admin even be here?? Until we get a strong, Pro Active Alumni Base we will continue to suffer under these type of administrations.


That's patently absurd: It's the alumni's fault?

Try this on for size: If the admin were competent, they would be working to get/keep alumni in the fold. Instead, they live by the standard "eh, they wanted to leave anyway."

People WANT to be invested in their University. It is up to the admin to show them the benefits.

For an example: Let's look at the alumni association's page that describes the different benefit levels:

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I think that page speaks VOLUMES on the effort the Administration makes to make sure people stay in the fold.


If your looking for benefits here they are.

http://www.txstatealumni.org/site/PageS ... e=benefits


The biggest benefit should be helping to make TXST the best University in the State!

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If your looking for benefits here they are.

http://www.txstatealumni.org/site/PageS ... e=benefits


The biggest benefit should be helping to make TXST the best University in the State!


Yay! They fixed the link!

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Rick wrote:
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It's Easy to Blame Admin but to bI agree with both of you. It's very catch 22.

If we had a strong alumni base we would run the show like many other institutions.

If we had a more proactive administration the university would build a stronger alumni base.

The administration gets paid either way so the alumni are the ones who lose here.


It's like a riddle trapped inside an enigma inside of a puzzle. Very tricky, but Rick has the idea.

Both sides have decided to call it a truce and do nothing. It's been like this since my mom went to school on the hill. Nobody ever has their feet held to the fire and you see the results. It's the reason you will never see The University have a successful I-A football program, an active alumni group, or anything else that might be desirous of a large university the size and scope of Texas State. Way to LEAD guys!


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