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 How do we end our dependence on foreign oil? 
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This is more than just an economic concern. Certainly, the price at the pump is beginning to be more and more onerous. But more importantly, we are being held hostage by socialist dictators by our tremendous dependence on foreign oil.

Ethanol is not a sustainable solution, and new offshore oil platforms and drilling in ANWR are not politically possible.

Therefore, as hydrogen is the most abundant and most energy efficient element in the known Universe, we must begin to harness it's power to replace gasoline as our main source of power.

In my opinion, if our government truly wanted to eliminate our reliance on foreign sources of energy, it should do the following:

1. NASA and private energy corporations need to collaborate to develop safe orbital power satellites that use microwave technology to provide clean, efficient energy to the nation. This will eliminate the need for "clean coal," oil, and fresh-water supply limiting hydroelectric power.

2. Congress must mandate that the U.S. military must use hydrogen fuel cell technology for all new vehicles purchased after 2020. As it is contracts with private automobile companies that provide the military with vehicles, it will then be beneficial and cost effective for the automobile companies to develop efficient, cheap hydrogen fuel cell technology that can then be used in consumer automobiles.

3. Beginning in 2010, the U.S. gas excise tax must start to increase. As a limited government kind of guy, this goes against my principles, but must be done. The effect this will have is to increase demand for alternative sources of automobile power. The aforementioned improved hydrogen fuel cell technology that has been developed for military use will then be ported to consumer vehicles, cheaply and effectively.

4. Congress must mandate that all new vehicles sold in the U.S. by 2027 must be hydrogen fuel cell powered.

These changes will be initially expensive, but I think that they could gain broad public support for the long-term effects.

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I like where you are going with this, but I don't think hydrogen is the only solution. One technology I'm watching with a great deal of fascination is the compressed air engine. Link: http://www.theaircar.com/

This is going on sale through Tata Motors in India soon.

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I saw that on Discovery HD a few weeks ago. Very compelling.

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What if we, bring back dinosaurs and uses them to pull are cars and uses them like the Flintstones did? and when they all die off again we can uses oil again.

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I agree that fuel cells are the future of transportation. I disagree that Ethanol is not sustainable for the short term. I think the government should mandate all cars manufactured here be E-85 compatable. I run E-85 in my car most of the time. The problem is the cost savings don't overcome the lack of fuel mileage. I wish the cost was cheaper to compensate because sometimes I run regular gas just because I get tired of 17 miles per gallon on ethanol. The thing lacking in this country is using other crops besides corn to make ethanol. Brazil because energy independent by using sugar cane which is a far better crop to use for ethanol production. The other thing stopping us from more e-85, in my opinion, are the big oil companies who are perfectly content with making their billions in the current system amd are in no hurry for ethanol or fuel cells or any other technology to take their profits away.

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I agree that fuel cells are the future of transportation. I disagree that Ethanol is not sustainable for the short term. I think the government should mandate all cars manufactured here be E-85 compatable. I run E-85 in my car most of the time. The problem is the cost savings don't overcome the lack of fuel mileage. I wish the cost was cheaper to compensate because sometimes I run regular gas just because I get tired of 17 miles per gallon on ethanol. The thing lacking in this country is using other crops besides corn to make ethanol. Brazil because energy independent by using sugar cane which is a far better crop to use for ethanol production. The other thing stopping us from more e-85, in my opinion, are the big oil companies who are perfectly content with making their billions in the current system amd are in no hurry for ethanol or fuel cells or any other technology to take their profits away.


The corn farming lobby is very, VERY powerful, which is a big reason you haven't seen more discussion of other alternatives for creating ethanol.

I'm thoroughly convinced that if you got a young, aggressive CEO in at one of the oil companies, he/she would realize that the first oil company to get on the alternative fuel bandwaggon (and I mean seriously get on it--not just lip service) will become the Microsoft of the oil industry. Oil companies are sticking with what they know works instead of going after something that could work better and make them a TON more money.

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we get most of are oil form Canda, Mexico.

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SOMBREROGUY wrote:
we get most of are oil form Canda, Mexico.


Actially it depends on the oil company. Some get the majority of their oil from there, others get anwhere from 50 to 75 percent from the middle east.

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Ok well as a hole. we get like maybe 1/5 form the middle east.

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1. NASA and private energy corporations need to collaborate to develop safe orbital power satellites that use microwave technology to provide clean, efficient energy to the nation. This will eliminate the need for "clean coal," oil, and fresh-water supply limiting hydroelectric power.


Possible, but extremely expensive. Honestly, I think the future of our power needs lies in nuclear power. Safe, clean, efficient, what else do you want?
Dan

P.S. everything else is about dead on.

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treacherous wrote:
1. NASA and private energy corporations need to collaborate to develop safe orbital power satellites that use microwave technology to provide clean, efficient energy to the nation. This will eliminate the need for "clean coal," oil, and fresh-water supply limiting hydroelectric power.


Possible, but extremely expensive. Honestly, I think the future of our power needs lies in nuclear power. Safe, clean, efficient, what else do you want?
Dan

P.S. everything else is about dead on.

The current generation of nuclear power plants are much safer but still not 100 percent, but I guess nothing is. The thing that worries me abour more nukes is the waste. Yes they are clean as far as emissions but not as far as the waste they produce. But I agree short term future nukes are one solution. I think however once wind technology improves you will see a lot more turbines being put up, especially off-shore. Texas will be the site of the first off-shore wind farm and a couple of more are planned as well and we will also be the site of a turbine research facility that will mean better technology built in America instead of imported from Europe. I also think there is a place for large solar plants, we have moved away from that technology and I think it is still worth looking at. I also think in the future you will see more individual buildings, houses and apartment complexes powered by solar. You are already seeing some of that around the country. I think you will see more of it.

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The amount of waste produced by a nuclear power plant is less than that of a coal plant (per unit energy produced). It's more hazardous, but not THAT hard to deal with, we already have set methods of dealing with it. And really, dealing with the waste is where most of the danger of a nuclear plant lies. The likelihood of a meltdown is slim to none, and the likelihood of a meltdown ending in catastrophic failure and a large scale nuclear explosion is basically zero.

There are some forms of energy that hold promise, and I don't think that any one form will reign supreme, but I honestly think nuclear is the best bet for the next ~100 years.
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SOMBREROGUY wrote:
What if we, bring back dinosaurs and uses them to pull are cars and uses them like the Flintstones did? and when they all die off again we can uses oil again.


I think that's one of the lectures at the Creationist Museum in Kentucky.


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SOMBREROGUY wrote:
What if we, bring back dinosaurs and uses them to pull are cars and uses them like the Flintstones did? and when they all die off again we can uses oil again.


I think that's one of the lectures at the Creationist Museum in Kentucky.


by the way, there is another creationist museum in texas -- in glen rose. they're trying to build some sort of biosphere that would recreate the atmosphere/environment that existed at the time of the great flood or something like that. theyr'e also big on dinosaurs living only a few thousands years back, existing with humans, etc etc


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Its really simple.
More efficient cars.
And just more efficient use of our energy period.

Continually add more renewables and nuclear power into the mix.


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