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Former UTSA AD Lynn Hickey was known to be friends with former UT AD Deloss Dodds. You can tell she took a lot of what UT did and tried to incorporate it at UTSA. Games and/or recognitions between every break in the action, commercials everywhere, give aways, etc.

The funny thing is that UT fans grew tired of that atmosphere and many are praising CDC for scaling it back (less commercials, letting fans hear the band instead of piped in music, lower concession prices, etc).

I can see the appeal of things like what UTSA does, but I'd prefer something in between what we do (which is preactically nothing) to what UTSA does (over the top).

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Pretty funny stuff . . . . Knocking the UTSA “game day experience.”

. . . I guess that’s what you do when your team is 0 fer against them all time. just pathetic . . .


I don't think anyone is knocking it. It's fine, and i'm sure some people enjoy seeing if their Donut in the coupon book beats the Bagel and the Cup on the jumbotron race in the second TV time out of the game so they can get a free donut at Dunkin after the game. Personally, I don't care for that type of experience.

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I could personally give two shits about the game day experience that isn't the game itself. It all comes down to winning. If there's a competitive game or your team is winning, the extra fluff is just that.... fluff.

Secondly, if you have a quality product on the field, the fans will show up, so to answer the question in another thread of what comes first, the winning team or the fans showing up and cheering them on, 100 out of 100 times, it's all about the product on the field, period.

Yes a loud fan base can make the opponents OL jump early, or the QB can't get an audible out, but it has and will always come down to execution on the field. Those players are trying their butts off to execute the game-plan the coaches have laid out. When you get to a collegiate level you can bet, that the players are self motivated and/or pushing each other to perform, the "rah-rah" is nice, but not a deciding factor.

There was never any attendance issues in the Neally era and a few years after, because the team was winning.

TXST has a weird football culture. The students just don't seem to have the buy-in of some other schools in the state. My guess is because there have only been a handful of winning seasons by the football team and usually a losing record for at least 2 years of a students' experience. More losing than winning creates apathy. Perhaps if we could get at least decent (.500) for 5+ years consistently, that could make a change in the "football culture of TXST".

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I think what others are wondering when it comes to the "wins or fans: who comes first" question is... How much easier it is to get the high quality recruits when you have a sold out (or near sold out) stadium every week you play at home.

Those players help translate to wins at home, which in turn leads to more recruits.

It's not the only thing, naturally, but it's one of the things.

It's kinda the mantra of Bobcat football: In general, we're doing it, but there's so many little things we are missing which kills it overall.

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I think what others are wondering when it comes to the "wins or fans: who comes first" question is... How much easier it is to get the high quality recruits when you have a sold out (or near sold out) stadium every week you play at home.

Those players help translate to wins at home, which in turn leads to more recruits.

It's not the only thing, naturally, but it's one of the things.

It's kinda the mantra of Bobcat football: In general, we're doing it, but there's so many little things we are missing which kills it overall.


I have routinely said the biggest blunder Withers has made that will inevitably lead to his dismissal is the hiring of bad assistant coaches. Worse than that is his hiring of off-field staff.

You mentioned getting recruits. Throughout the season, the staff hosts hundreds of unofficial visitors over the course of six home games. Many of these unofficial visitors end up getting offers from Texas State. Many others end up being guys Texas State wants as walk-ons. So these unofficial visits are pretty important.

You brought up when the stadium is sold out or nearly sold out. Well, we both know that doesn't happen. The stadium leaves a lot to be desired in terms of fan and student support. So what does a good salesman do? He embellishes and puts a focus on the positives. For those of you who have tailgated and gone to many TX State football games, what are the most impressive parts? We know it's not the fan/student support inside the stadium. We know it's not the actual football product on the field. The stadium is aesthetically pleasing and is a quality facility for the Sun Belt. It's important to show that off to unofficial visitors as much as possible. What's even more impressive than our facilities? The location of the stadium. It is an easy and enjoyable walk to campus past a beautiful and fun river. Better than that? The student tailgating area. It is truly impressive. The student tailgating area routinely gets thousands of students, many of whom are attractive females. It is so good that major companies set up their own tailgating areas there to promote their products. There is not a better student tailgate in the entire conference. I'll go so far as to claim that Texas State has one of the very few best G5 student tailgates in the country. The actual game won't showcase the student support to our unofficial visitors. So it is imperative that these recruits see that the student body is very active and not completely apathetic when it comes to the football program. If they string some wins together, suddenly these thousands of students start slowly tricking into the stadium. That leads to a better game day experience for them, and the fun just grows from there.

Great, right? Nope. Do you think the Texas State staff showcases the campus, river, short walk, and unbelievably impressive student tailgating to our visitors? Not a chance. They have a full-time recruiting guy, a player development guy, multiple recruiting interns, and a few dozen Bobcat Belles all available to escort the unofficial visitors, but they don't take advantage of the top two most appealing aspects about the program currently. Logistically, it would be very simple. You have the unofficial visitors meet at the parking lot for Saltgrass or next door at the tennis parking lot. 2-3 dozen Bobcat Belles, the recruiting guy, and the recruiting interns escort the unofficial visitors past the river and through the student tailgating lots. It's a short and simply walk which has a huge, lasting impact to show just how much the students are involved and how easy it will be to get them to come inside the stadium once Ws start happening.

Why does Texas State not take advantage of the two best parts of the program right now? Because Withers isn't good at this stuff and he makes awful hires.


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Can't disagree with anything you touched on.......Gotta sell the "total package".

Since I am not "an insider" to the program, are we at least getting a better with landing better athlete's? I can only assume that the stadium and athletic facilities are what the 2 best selling points are....

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Since I am not "an insider" to the program, are we at least getting a better with landing better athlete's?

you don't have to be an insider, you can just go look at our recruiting rankings over the past couple of years and see that we are.

currently have 11 *** recruits committed, with at least 8 spots to fill before nsd. our previous high was 10 in the 2017 class.

https://247sports.com/Season/2019-Footb ... erence=SBC

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Since I am not "an insider" to the program, are we at least getting a better with landing better athlete's? I can only assume that the stadium and athletic facilities are what the 2 best selling points are....



By this point, I hope you know not to give Saul's comments much credit.

He fails to mention some very important things regarding his 11 three-star commits. First, Texas State has thrown out a hundred more early offers this year than in the past under Withers. As a result, many of these commits have no other FBS offers. Of course they are going to commit to lock in an offer . . . until a prettier girl comes along. In the past, Texas State has lost numerous commits late in the game. That will happen again this year, as they have many commits earlier than previous - much having to do with the earlier signing period and much having to do with throwing out far more early offers - which will still result in more commits dropping Texas State.

To prove my point, lets look at these three-star commits:

Zach Hayes- 0 FBS offers
Edgerrin Williams - 0 FBS offers, 0 FCS offers
Calvin Hill - 0 FBS offers, 1 FCS offer
Christian Robinson - 0 FBS offers, 0 FCS offers
Leroy Watson - As of two weeks ago, he had 0 FBS offers . . . in that time, he has received two others, so consider him gone
Darius Richardson - 0 FBS offers, 2 FCS offers


More than half of the three-star commits have no other FBS offers (with the exception of Watson, who has just received some). In other words, Texas State has out recruited absolutely nobody. Some of these other guys will eventually receive one or two FBS offers over the next couple of months. However, they won't flip from Texas State yet because they aren't able to visit those schools until after their own playing season is over. At that time, look for some of these guys to jump ship.

But, again, of these 11 three-star commits, more than half don't have other FBS offers. That is quite telling.


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run faster certainly prefers when we were getting ** recruits with no other offers under fran.

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You brought up when the stadium is sold out or nearly sold out. Well, we both know that doesn't happen. The stadium leaves a lot to be desired in terms of fan and student support.


I get that you are trying to take this as another opportunity to bash Withers, but the point of my post and the post I was answering was which comes first: The wins or the fans.

I was demonstrating how having fans makes it easier to land recruits, which in turn leads to wins.

But you knew that already.

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run faster certainly prefers when we were getting ** recruits with no other offers under fran.


You've shot your load due to getting commits from three-star kids who have no other FBS offers. You don't understand that as soon as these guys start getting one or two other FBS offers, they jump ship.

So enjoy staining your mother's hand towels for a majority of kids who won't be in San Marcos to play for the new staff in a couple of years.


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odd statement, given that the last high mark for *** was also under withers.

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Saul Goodman wrote:
odd statement, given that the last high mark for *** was also under withers.


The last high mark compared to whom - the one other coach Texas State has had at the FBS level? Congratulations. He finished 1st out of 2 contestants, the first of which had the barrier of being a transition FBS school still building.


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the guy asked a simple question, easily answered by independent sources. there is zero subjectivity on the matter: yes, we are getting better athletes, and more of them, today than we have at any time in the past.

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I don't think Saul is even attributing that to Withers (the last two best years in recruiting being under his watch), merely a trend as we become more of a "known" FBS team.

It's not a product of either of the coaches we have had... It's just standard growth in a young FBS team.

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