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You can go to the state public employee database and look at everyone's salaries.

done. even included the link above. nevermind that they are also behind a year.
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As I noted, Texas State paid its 20-something year old DFO $85,000 last year, which is exceptionally high for a Sun Belt DFO. Texas State paid its recruiting guy about $53,000, its head strength coach around $120,000, and all of the others that I listed.

none of those are included in the 10 assistant coaches, which is what we are discussing when referencing assistant coaching salaries.
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Your numbers are outdated.

feel free to provide updated numbers, complete w/ links to sources.

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none of those are included in the 10 assistant coaches, which is what we are discussing when referencing assistant coaching salaries.


I'm not sure why this is so difficult for you to understand. Withers is responsible for the budget. He can decide which coaching slot gets what amount of money. He can decide if he would rather hire a director of high school relations (unneeded in the Sun Belt when you already are paying a recruiting guy $53,000, have interns working with them, are paying a player development guy, etc.) instead of bumping the assistant salary pools. By making those decisions, Withers is the one to blame for what you perceive as such a low assistant salary pool.

From your numbers (which, again, are wrong and outdated), Texas State has the 3rd of 4th highest head coaching salary and 8th highest assistant pool (again, not taking into consideration the other salaries Withers has decided to give which are high). Based simply on the head coaching and assistant salary figures, Texas State is right in the middle of the conference (5th or 6th) when you take both of those numbers into account. In other words, they are competitive for the conference. Salaries of our coaches is simply not a legitimate argument when asking why Texas State can't be competitive in the Sun Belt.

. . . and that's not even taking into consideration that we paid a boatload to our 20-something DFO, pay well for our strength coach(es), pay a director of high school relations, a player development guy, a player personnel guy, etc.


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feel free to provide updated numbers, complete w/ links to sources.


Here is a link you should familiarize yourself with. Plug in John Streicher's name to see his high DFO salary, Burkart's name to see his high Sun Belt salary, Michael George's name to see a standard Sun Belt recruiting salary, etc.:

https://salaries.texastribune.org/


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oh, the same link i provided before. you must not have anything more up to date.

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Who cares what the exact salaries are? The point is, they are in the same ballpark as several other universities that have improved from where we are to national relevance. We just need a competent athletic director to hire the right coach.


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oh, the same link i provided before. you must not have anything more up to date.


Then, why are you too stupid to comprehend a very logical and easy to understand argument?


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Who cares what the exact salaries are? The point is, they are in the same ballpark as several other universities that have improved from where we are to national relevance. We just need a competent athletic director to hire the right coach.




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Saul Goodman wrote:
oh, the same link i provided before. you must not have anything more up to date.


Then, why are you too stupid to comprehend a very logical and easy to understand argument?



Since you're fairly new, let me save you some grief RF. That's his M.O., he's got the deductive reasoning of a kindergartener.


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watching you two together is beautiful. like a sarah and kellyanne tornado of factswindling.

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watching you two together is beautiful. like a sarah and kellyanne tornado of factswindling.


Wait: aren't you the fool who claimed Texas State is at the bottom of the barrel when it comes to coaching salaries, but then claimed that Texas State was 3rd out of 10 for head coaching salaries in the Sun Belt and 8th out of 10 for assistant salaries? In other words, not even counting the high off-field salaries paid, Texas State is in the middle of the conference in salaries.

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the sunbelt is the bottom of the barrel, so yes.

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the sunbelt is the bottom of the barrel, so yes.


Texas State, according to your source, would have the third highest assistant salary pool in the MAC. Texas State, according to your source, would have the second highest head coaching salary in the MAC. At this point, we've established that Texas State would be in the middle of the Sun Belt when taking into account the head coaching and assistant coaching salaries and near the very top of the MAC when looking at both of those. Bottom of the barrel? Not even close.

Mountain West? Texas State's head coaching salary would be in the middle with four head coaches being paid lower (far lower in some cases). Conference USA? Same thing. There are six Conference USA coaches who get paid lower than Withers.

Strength coach? Texas State's is in the top 5 in the Sun Belt, would be higher than at least 4 MWC strength coaches (so, again, in the middle), would have at least 8 lower than him in C-USA, and would be the highest paid strength coach in the MAC. Yes, he would be the highest paid strength coach in the MAC.

. . . and these numbers don't even include private schools (Rice, Tulsa, Tulane) and the military academies which tend to pay lower.

Just give up. Your argument is not only based on bad information, but it is not rooted in any logic.


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http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries

total coaching compensation, p5 schools
txst 39 out of 65, w/ 5 schools not submitting - all of which would be above us...so 44/65*

numbers are 1yr old - only one adjusted for 2018 is ull, simply because i had it on hand and it was such a significant jump

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We could have Rocky Long for only an extra 150k holy hell!! Anyone see anything wrong with Satterfueld’s old base salary?

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We could have Rocky Long for only an extra 150k holy hell!! Anyone see anything wrong with Satterfueld’s old base salary?


I THINK Satt gave them the hometown discount. At least to start, and now he's getting paid (probably because he has been getting looks elsewhere).

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