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Decent read about how we did ourselves NO favors last weekend:

https://swcroundup.com/news/2018/9/6/te ... in-rutgers

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i wrote almost that exact same post on here earlier this week.

this premise should trigger a certain someone around here:
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Whose to say whether Rutgers was 28 points better than Texas State on Saturday, but the Bobcats played as much a role in their demise as the Scarlet Knights.

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Saul Goodman wrote:
i wrote almost that exact same post on here earlier this week.

this premise should trigger a certain someone around here:
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Whose to say whether Rutgers was 28 points better than Texas State on Saturday, but the Bobcats played as much a role in their demise as the Scarlet Knights.


Go ahead and agree with the side of a journalist who doesn't know the difference between "whose" and "who's." I'll continue agreeing with people who have at least an elementary understanding of the English language, especially those in a position (such as a journalist) where it is of extreme importance.


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Saul Goodman wrote:
i wrote almost that exact same post on here earlier this week.

this premise should trigger a certain someone around here:
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Whose to say whether Rutgers was 28 points better than Texas State on Saturday, but the Bobcats played as much a role in their demise as the Scarlet Knights.


I honestly was thinking of your post when I read it. Was gonna put it in that thread, but was too lazy to hunt for it.

I linked it because this guy, unlike you... included youtube videos!

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Go ahead and agree with the side of a journalist who doesn't know the difference between "whose" and "who's." I'll continue agreeing with people who have at least an elementary understanding of the English language, especially those in a position (such as a journalist) where it is of extreme importance.


Quick question: What in that article was inaccurate?

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Quick question: What in that article was inaccurate?


I'm not going to go through every single one of his attempts, but the entire premise is flawed. The attempted journalist claimed that Rutgers didn't do the "dirty work," and that we did that for him. He claims that since penalties gave Rutgers advantages, it somehow won the game for them.

Well, no shit; penalties do give the other team advantages and/or the violating team disadvantages. His claim that Rutgers didn't do the dirty work is foolish considering he refuses to acknowledge that we had 169 yards of total offense, had our QB be our leading rusher, had our backup RB as our leading receiver, and couldn't move the ball to save our lives regardless of it being 1st-and-10 or 3rd-and-25. Rutgers gave us plenty of their own help with their own penalties and unforced turnovers. The fact that all of their help resulted in nothing for us showed we were completely outmatched.

He claims that all of our penalties helped Rutgers (again, no shit) but fails to acknowledge that Rutgers gave us not one, not two, but three first-downs due to penalties on third or fourth down on our opening drive, yet we still couldn't score.

Look at his analysis of the missed field goal drive. He attempts to support his argument by saying that we had penalties on that drive which shot ourselves in the foot, but he ignores that Rutgers bailed us out three times on that drive with penalties of their own which gave us new life.

On Brewer's hold, it was 1st and 10. Even though Brewer held, we still gained no yards. So it was either going to be 2nd and 10 or 1st and 20. Regardless of penalties, we still didn't succeed on that play (it's a recurring theme). Then, on the very next play, we got flagged for intentional grounding. The journalist argues that we shot ourselves in the foot on that because it put us in a 2nd and 35 situation. What he fails to mention is that WJIII was getting sacked when he spiked that ball into the ground. Do you know where he got sacked at? It was at about our 40 yard line. So, even if he hadn't spiked the ball as he was getting sacked, we would have still faced about a 2nd and 35 situation without the penalty. Once again, that penalty didn't help or hurt us - we would have faced the same exact situation regardless if we committed the penalty or not. In other words, that penalty was absolutely irrelevant in shooting ourselves in the foot. With or without the penalty, we would have faced a 2nd and 35.

Here, go to the 25 minute mark of this link to understand: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtQUSqN6bZM

Are you starting to see why you shouldn't automatically agree with a journalist who fails basic grammar?

On that drive he claims we shot ourselves in the foot by our own penalties, but he fails to acknowledge:

1) On a failed 3rd down attempt, Rutgers was called for a penalty which gave us a 1st down.
2) On a 4th and 2 (after a failed 3rd and 2 attempt), Rutgers was called for a penalty which gave us a 1st down.
3) On a 4th and 24 (that's not a typo, it was 4th and 24), Rutgers was called for a penalty which gave us a 1st down.

And this guy is trying to argue that we shot ourselves in the foot on this drive due to our penalties? What game did he watch?


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Such a stupid argument to have.

1. We got thoroughly beat by Rutgers
2. We had a lot of unforced mistakes (and some forced mistakes)

Both things happened. One happening doesn't negate the other thing from happening.


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exactly. and that's precisely what the author, and several of us here, wrote. but, if it's not "withers needs to be burned at the stake" then it's a false premise.

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exactly. and that's precisely what the author, and several of us here, wrote. but, if it's not "withers needs to be burned at the stake" then it's a false premise.


No, that's completely the opposite of what the author stated. In fact, he questioned if Rutgers really was 28 points better than us all based on his illogical argument about penalties and shooting ourselves in the foot. A prime example of his numerous flaws his harping about penalties on our first drive while ignoring that Rutgers bailed us out with three penalties on that drive and that the 2nd and 35 would have happened regardless of the penalty.


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I got what x got out of the argument.

We did get trounced by Rutgers, but we certainly hurt ourselves with all the penalties.

I will say that anyone who truly believes we gave the game away wasn't watching the game at all, but that doesn't mean that we played decent ball.

And if anything, I would think this supports run faster's argument of Withers being a horrible coach. That we not only were outmanned, but poorly prepared based on all the penalties.

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Or it's an anamoly. Last years team was one of the least penalized teams.


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Or it's an anamoly. Last years team was one of the least penalized teams.


going purely off memory, 2 years ago the team was one of the lesser penalized as well.

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