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If Tyler Vitt isn't the starter at Rutgers on Sept 1st. I already have my hotel booked with us being only 14 pt underdogs. 8) 8) 8)


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He throws into some tight windows, has good placement on the deep passes and has what you might call "deceptive" speed off the option.


Fri Jun 01, 2018 5:59 pm
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Man, this kid can play. Could be the second coming of the Tyler show...Tyler Jones, Tyler Vitt.

It's pretty well documented that the other QB's have got some real work to do to emerge as a solid starter.

I'm feeling better about our chances.

Hopefully, we have someone that can make field goals and XPs.


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HoustonSuperFan wrote:

It's pretty well documented that the other QB's have got some real work to do to emerge as a solid starter
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I can't imagine why that would be the case. After all, Withers hired a quarterbacks coach at the FBS level whose quarterback coaching experience consisted of one year of D3 football in Ohio.

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Hopefully, we have someone that can make field goals and XPs.


This was another huge complaint that I heard.

For quarterbacks, you hire somebody who can teach them mechanics on throwing, footwork, etc.

For running backs, you hire somebody who can teach them mechanics on footwork, ball security, etc.

For receivers, you hire somebody who can teach them mechanics on blocking, catching, etc.

For kickers, punters, and snappers, Withers hired coaches who have never had their own rooms (experience only as a GA) and who never have learned or taught mechanics to these positions.

Name a single person on that staff that can observe mechanics issues by kickers, punters, and snappers and have drills that help them to remedy those issues. Don't worry, it's a trick question, because there isn't one.

They are an intricate part of a program, yet this program throws them to the side and refuses to give them proper resources.


Sun Jun 03, 2018 10:58 am
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Last year I got to go to the annual UT coaches clinic. Long story short I got to listen to Craig Naivar(UT special teams coordinator/safeties coach/former TXST coach) do a small group chalk talk. One of the other coaches asked him about kicking game drills and how he teaches kicking technique. His answer was basically that he doesn't know shit about kicking footballs and that the kickers and punters all have private kicking coaches that they work with for all of that.

If UT doesn't have a guy on staff that deals with that then I'd bet that very few schools do. So that's not something I think you can blame our coaches for.


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Last year I got to go to the annual UT coaches clinic. Long story short I got to listen to Craig Naivar(UT special teams coordinator/safeties coach/former TXST coach) do a small group chalk talk. One of the other coaches asked him about kicking game drills and how he teaches kicking technique. His answer was basically that he doesn't know shit about kicking footballs and that the kickers and punters all have private kicking coaches that they work with for all of that.

If UT doesn't have a guy on staff that deals with that then I'd bet that very few schools do. So that's not something I think you can blame our coaches for.


I absolutely can blame our coaches (at least the head coach) for that. "Well, Urban does it like this, so we do it like this." With all due respect, fuck Urban. Yes, he has had a ton of success. He also has top 5 facilities, top 5 budget, top 5 fan base, and those things earns him top 5 recruits. With that, you can scheme things a lot differently than you can if you have Sun Belt - even top Sun Belt - classes.

That's the fucking issue. Too many coaches don't have the intelligence to see what is important. And that lack of intelligence carries over into all sorts of things including managing a program. They do things just because that is how it has always been done. Urban doesn't do everything right. Some of the stuff he does do right is successful because of the situation he has (schemes regarding freak athletes that Sun Belt schools don't have, etc.).

If I am the coach in charge of the field goal or punt unit and I don't know anything about kicking/punting/snapping a football, guess what? I am spending a chunk of my off-season learning that shit from coaches who do have that knowledge. For a head coach not to demand that to happen is unbelievably short-sighted.

Yes, most FBS kickers/punters, including at Texas State, have their own private coaches. Guess what? Those coaches work with them during the summer. What happens three months later when those coaches are gone and bad habits develop? There is nobody there to notice them, drill them, and fix them.

It's unbelievable how under coached specialists are. It's more unbelievable how so many FBS head coaches are ignorant to that and don't do something about it . . . just because every staff they have been on doesn't have somebody with that football intelligence. Well, fix it for your staff! It is imperative.

I'm not saying FBS head coaches have to be college professors in English, but the pure lack of intelligence and life-skills/decision for many of them is mind-blowing. Hell, Brady Hoke has coached at some big schools. Did you see his text messages to the former Tennessee AD when he was trying to become the head coach? Embarrassingly bad. That tends to be the norm. If you don't have the intelligence to master basic grammar, tact, and professionalism, then you don't have the proper intelligence to manage an organization which has 200 hundred members.


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What makes you think those kicking coaches just take off during the season?


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What makes you think those kicking coaches just take off during the season?


Because they don't hang out in San Marcos, Texas. Even if a kicking coach is within an hour's drive, do you expect an athlete in the middle of the season to randomly find four hours to drive to/from and train with him? It's far from ideal.

Bad mechanics don't happen overnight. They slowly progress over time making kicks/punts/snaps progressively worse. At the point those things are observed by an untrained eye, it usually means there have been plenty of bad kicks/punts/snaps over many weeks. It's too late at that point.


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Wow... you are insane... you are absolutely sure that there is not a single kicking coach in San Marco's? I mean that's plausible, but even then the coach would come to the player. He's getting paid after all.


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Wow... you are insane... you are absolutely sure that there is not a single kicking coach in San Marco's? I mean that's plausible, but even then the coach would come to the player. He's getting paid after all.


The Texas State kicker works out in Austin where he sometimes has a coach. He goes to the coach.

You're speaking of something you have no clue about. The players go to the coaches.


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Man, this kid can play. Could be the second coming of the Tyler show...Tyler Jones, Tyler Vitt.

It's pretty well documented that the other QB's have got some real work to do to emerge as a solid starter.

I'm feeling better about our chances.

Hopefully, we have someone that can make field goals and XPs
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I'll be honest with you, Withers tenure will sink or swim with Vitt and how well he adjusts to the college game and how well the OC protects him early on. I feel confident with Elliot as QBs coach to develop him (or WJII/JG), but I still feel that Withers and he don't look eye to eye.

Now, if they decide to experiment with WJIII or Jaylen Gipson exclusively and not even give Vitt a chance, we won't go very far (unless they spend every waking hour during the summer finding ways to adjust to quicker decision making and receiver progressions as well as ball placement). That's not a knock on them, Vitt is just more polished already as a QB from going through years of the Yale Vannoy QB academy all through high school.


When you look at the highlights where he runs the ball, a lot of those were against Churchill and San Antonio Madison, which are schools known for their speed on defense and skill positions.


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I'd be surprised if Taxman's analysis is finally correct. Keep throwing those darts and your bound to hit the barn door at some point.

As for the special teams analysis. Run faster might be a soccer style kicker that only got to kick extra points when his team was way up. The coaches opted for the big lineman with the square toe shoe instead; because, he was more consistent. Till this day run faster blames those stupid coaches for not teaching him proper technique.

In all seriousness, I will trust the word of somebody who attends coaching clinics when it comes to football matters.

BTW, the best punter I was ever around struggled with the written word. He was the 4th best punter on Mel Kiper's draft board the year he graduated from college. I bet he could coach a punter on proper technique. Fortunately, he grew up getting instruction from a pro punter. Of course, the kids dad had coached the pro punter as well. It's a wonder the dumb coach, a former college lineman, didn't screw it up.


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I'd be surprised if Taxman's analysis is finally correct. Keep throwing those darts and your bound to hit the barn door at some point.

As for the special teams analysis. Run faster might be a soccer style kicker that only got to kick extra points when his team was way up. The coaches opted for the big lineman with the square toe shoe instead; because, he was more consistent. Till this day run faster blames those stupid coaches for not teaching him proper technique.

In all seriousness, I will trust the word of somebody who attends coaching clinics when it comes to football matters.

BTW, the best punter I was ever around struggled with the written word. He was the 4th best punter on Mel Kiper's draft board the year he graduated from college. I bet he could coach a punter on proper technique. Fortunately, he grew up getting instruction from a pro punter. Of course, the kids dad had coached the pro punter as well. It's a wonder the dumb coach, a former college lineman, didn't screw it up.




You ramble about punters and make no sense, yet think my analysis is flawed? Who are you anyway? Never even heard/read any of your posts until now and this is your "hot take" on this board? Get over yourself. :roll: :roll: :roll:


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