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special teams isn't a position, that's why it has a coordinator. he's a special teams assistant - same level as a position coach. which is why every example i provided was fbs coordinator to nfl position coach.


That’s entirely wrong. He is not the same level as a position coach. That shows you have a fundamental lack of knowledge of NFL coaching. He isn’t the special teams assistant. He is the assistant special teams coach which is equal to the assistant wide receivers coach, assistant offensive line coach, etc. It is a big step down from being the same level as a position coach. Hell, you can look at NFL coaching rosters and see they have assistant special teams coaches titled the same as other assistant position coaches.

Do you think an NFL team is gong to give a coach a position (or equal to it, as you claim) who has never coached in the league and hasn’t coached special teams in 6+ years at the FBS level, let alone FCS level?

And, no, he isn’t getting $280,000 (doubling his salary) to be an assistant to a position (which is what he is).


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look, you can twist up the semantics all you want, but losing coaches to the nfl and pay raises isn't any kind of indictment on the head coach. it's simply where we live in the food chain.
there are thousands of examples of fb coaches taking steps up in level of competition but down in title. there are thousands of examples of coaches taking jobs that they haven't specifically coached before, or even same the side of the ball.

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It is very, very rare that an FBS coordinator takes an NFL assistant position job. This isn't a special teams coordinator job, but rather, an assistant special teams coaching position. In fact, you see more assistant position coaches (not the receivers coach, but the "assistant receivers coach") taking a full-time FBS position than a full-time FBS coach taking an assistant position job in the NFL.

You can just look around and see, by far, that NFL assistant position coaches leave to take full-time FBS positions. For an FBS coordinator to take an assistant position job? Most see that as a step down.

I would venture to guess that almost every single assistant position coach (again, not the actual position coach, but the assistant position coach) would leave if offered an offensive/defensive coordinator job at an FBS.


By BRUCE FELDMAN February 14, 2018
"Defensive coordinator Chris Kiffin is leaving FAU to join the San Francisco 49ers staff as the Pass Rush Specialist coach, multiple sources told SI. Chris is the younger brother of FAU head coach Lane Kiffin. The younger Kiffin improved the Owls from No. 124 on defense to No. 37 in his one season there."


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It is very, very rare that an FBS coordinator takes an NFL assistant position job. This isn't a special teams coordinator job, but rather, an assistant special teams coaching position. In fact, you see more assistant position coaches (not the receivers coach, but the "assistant receivers coach") taking a full-time FBS position than a full-time FBS coach taking an assistant position job in the NFL.

You can just look around and see, by far, that NFL assistant position coaches leave to take full-time FBS positions. For an FBS coordinator to take an assistant position job? Most see that as a step down.

I would venture to guess that almost every single assistant position coach (again, not the actual position coach, but the assistant position coach) would leave if offered an offensive/defensive coordinator job at an FBS.


By BRUCE FELDMAN February 14, 2018
"Defensive coordinator Chris Kiffin is leaving FAU to join the San Francisco 49ers staff as the Pass Rush Specialist coach, multiple sources told SI. Chris is the younger brother of FAU head coach Lane Kiffin. The younger Kiffin improved the Owls from No. 124 on defense to No. 37 in his one season there."


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look, you can twist up the semantics all you want, but losing coaches to the nfl and pay raises isn't any kind of indictment on the head coach. it's simply where we live in the food chain.
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Show me this pay raise. Do you (or anyone else in this thread) have any idea what assistant position coaches make in the league? As an assistant position coach, you are almost assuredly looking at somewhere between $75,000 - $180,000. Usually, it is in the $90k-$120k. So, even at the top end of the spectrum, adding in the state income tax that Arizona has and Texas doesn't, you aren't getting a pay raise from the $140,000 Texas State salary.

And it is hardly semantics. If it were semantics, there wouldn't be $500,000 differences in pay between a position coach and an assistant position coach.

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there are thousands of examples of fb coaches taking steps up in level of competition but down in title.


Agreed. However, those step ups are position coach in college to assistant position coach in the NFL, coordinator jobs in college to position coach in the NFL . . . not coordinator in college to assistant position coach.

Saul Goodman wrote:
there are thousands of examples of coaches taking jobs that they haven't specifically coached before, or even same the side of the ball.


In college, yes. In the NFL, no.

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run faster wrote:
By BRUCE FELDMAN February 14, 2018
"Defensive coordinator Chris Kiffin is leaving FAU to join the San Francisco 49ers staff as the Pass Rush Specialist coach, multiple sources told SI. Chris is the younger brother of FAU head coach Lane Kiffin. The younger Kiffin improved the Owls from No. 124 on defense to No. 37 in his one season there."


https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/02/14/chris ... 9ers-staff


I'll excuse your ignorance on this. Chris Kiffin, just a few months ago, was given a two-year show cause penalty by the NCAA for cheating during his time at Ole Miss. Do you need a definition of what that means? It means that Kiffin won't be coaching anywhere else in college for at least three years. It means Kiffin is prohibited from off-campus recruiting for two years, making him worthless to FAU. When you get a show cause, you are pretty much untouchable for any school for years even after your penalty ends. Few head coaches and an even smaller number of ADs want to associate with those who blatantly cheat (or more accurately, get caught doing so).

Kiffin's college career was at a dead-end for the foreseeable future. He was doing no good being at FAU now, which his brother knew, and their legendary NFL coach father had plenty of ways to make sure Chris landed on his feet which included creating a coaching position that didn't exist for the 49ers until now.

As I said, it is very, very rare. Can you find some rare examples? Sure, I bet you could. But it is rare because it is not a step-up . . . an FBS coordinator to an assistant position coach in the NFL is backwards for most.

Need me to post the numerous assistant position coaches in the NFL who left to simply become position coaches (not coordinators) at the FBS level, including many at G5 schools?


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In college, yes. In the NFL, no.

feel free to scroll up for a couple, or simply start looking at nfl bios. plenty of them. coaching ability isn't restricted to the position you played, or started your coaching career with. not exactly a novel concept.

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Did you just post 2 walls of text? The same text? Oy vey. It's like phratty if he became semi-literate yet was more annoying. Anyways, doubtful that C. Kiffin had a dead-end career in college coaching. If schools are willing to pay coaches that were a part of Briles' Baylor staff, then this is near a non-issue. Considering the kind of class that FAU pulled in this year.. still a non-issue. Hell, UTSA hired Bo Davis who couldn't recruit off-campus either.

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for the sake of your original argument, let's assume that this is some crazy unique situation and a negative mark against hcew. please do make the case for this statement:
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that has been Withers' biggest fault and what will eventually cost him his job.

what has been withers' biggest fault?
losing mccray is going to cost withers his job? how so?

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run faster wrote:
In college, yes. In the NFL, no.

feel free to scroll up for a couple, or simply start looking at nfl bios. plenty of them. coaching ability isn't restricted to the position you played, or started your coaching career with. not exactly a novel concept.


It's almost unheard of for an NFL team to hire a coach from another level who has never coached on that side of the ball in his career. If you feel differently, provide proof. You're the one who made the outlandish claim.

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. Anyways, doubtful that C. Kiffin had a dead-end career in college coaching. If schools are willing to pay coaches that were a part of Briles' Baylor staff, then this is near a non-issue. Considering the kind of class that FAU pulled in this year.. still a non-issue. Hell, UTSA hired Bo Davis who couldn't recruit off-campus either.


You're overlooking one huge difference (and many others). Those guys on Baylor's staff that have been hired don't have show cause penalties. Chris Kiffin does. The NCAA didn't rule that those individual former Baylor coaches willingly and knowingly cheated. They did come to those findings with Chris Kiffin.

It's a non-issue that Chris couldn't recruit considering the class FAU pulled this year? Are you delusional? FAU finished tied for 9th in Conference USA according to Rivals and in the 100s nationally. You do realize there is a difference between FAU and FIU, right?

Bo Davis was hired by UTSA months before his show cause penalty by the NCAA.

I am new to this board, so help me out: is it commonplace for posters to fabricate bullshit on here, not expect to get called out on it, then try to argue their original feces by piling some piss on top?


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for the sake of your original argument, let's assume that this is some crazy unique situation and a negative mark against hcew.




It IS a very unique situation. List all of the FBS coordinators who willingly (read: weren't forced to take it) resigned to take an assistant position coaching spot in the NFL. If it isn't very unique, then surely you can find even a few examples, right? The reason you can't is because it is very unique. Why is it unique? Because it isn't a step up. Again, this is an assistant position coaching spot, not a position spot.

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run faster wrote:
that has been Withers' biggest fault and what will eventually cost him his job.

what has been withers' biggest fault?
losing mccray is going to cost withers his job? how so?


I suggest working on your reading comprehension. I said that making bad hires is what is going to cost him his job. How did you interpret that into meaning that losing McCray is going to cost him his job? Losing coaches from an offense that finished 107th in the country on offense, 102nd in the country on defense, and dead last in the country on special teams isn't necessarily a bad thing unless you replace them with inferior coaches.


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I am new to this board, so help me out: is it commonplace for posters to fabricate bullshit on here, not expect to get called out on it, then try to argue their original feces by piling some piss on top?


You can also cuss here, so there's that.

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I am new to this board, so help me out: is it commonplace for posters to fabricate bullshit on here, not expect to get called out on it, then try to argue their original feces by piling some piss on top?


You can also cuss here, so there's that.


The "Fuck You, Larry" thread tipped me off to that. My kind of place.


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Withers usually makes pretty good hires.
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You're joking, right? By far, that has been Withers' biggest fault and what will eventually cost him his job.


Because the guy he hired just got hired away by a NFL team?


First off, welcome to the board. It's not like there's a ton of us Bobcat fans out there...especially those that feel compelled to take the time to comment online on this antiquated website.

I can say I am just trying to understand your statement above. You are saying that Withers' biggest fault is the coaches that he hires aren't good or the fact that the coaches he hires get jobs elsewhere?


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It's almost unheard of for an NFL team to hire a coach from another level who has never coached on that side of the ball in his career. If you feel differently, provide proof. You're the one who made the outlandish claim.

not what i said, is it? but paul pasqualoni swapping sides for the cowboys a couple of years ago is one for you.

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